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1080 – where are the cancer causing or carcinogenicity studies?

For further info and to hear the late Dr Scanlon discussing the issues highlighted below go to this article: IN 2009 TWO MIDWIVES URGED THEIR PREGNANT PATIENTS TO LEAVE TOWN BEFORE A 1080 DROP – HEAR THE LATE DR SCANLON SPEAK ON THE LACK OF RESEARCH ON THE POTENTIAL RISKS TO THE UNBORN

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A warning to duck shooters, beware of 1080 poisoning

DUCKSHOOTERS TAKE NOTE – JUST 200 GMS 1080-POISONED DUCK MEAT MAY KILL A 70KG MAN.

MUCH LESS THAN THAT COULD KILL YOUR KIDS.

By Carol Sawyer

Does it take 24.5kgs of 1080-poisoned duck to kill a man or a mere 200 gms ? Read on.

(Temple and Edwards, 1985) – A 70-kg human must consume 25.4 kg of poisoned duck flesh to receive a lethal dose, as judged by LD50 values of 4.8 mg/kg BW in mallards and 5 mg/kg BW in humans; theoretically, consumption of only two whole ducks poisoned by 1080 may cause transient toxicity.”

HOWEVER, “Based on fatal or near-fatal cases of human poisonings, the dangerous dose for humans is 0.5-2.0 mg/kg BW” (Negherbon 1959)

Even our state-owned factory, Animal Control Products Ltd (Orillion), states 0.7mg to 2 mg per kg of bodyweight is the LD50 for humans.

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So…. by Negherbon’s reckoning, a 70kg human would have to eat only 2.54 kgs of poisoned ducks to get a lethal dose ( not 25.4 kgs )… …EXCEPT THAT that the lethal dose for a duck ( 4.8mg/kg bodyweight ) is only 1/4 of the amount of pure 1080 contained in a 12gm 1080 bait, and a duck could hoover up a lot of 1080 baits before it dies.

In other words, a duck may have eaten several baits, but even just one 12gm bait containing 0.15% pure 1080 poison is about 4 times the requirement to kill one x 1 kg duck.

So…. by that reckoning, one poisoned duck could kill you ! In other words if it had eaten one whole bait, and you weigh 70 kgs, you would need to eat 600 gms duck to get a lethal dose, but if it had eaten THREE baits you would only need to eat 200 gms duck TO DIE OF POISON. Now that is a possibility. Isn’t it ?!!

If you have an 11-year-old boy, he is likely to weigh around 35 kgs so just 100 gms of poisoned wild duck could kill him !

The other thing to remember is that ducks FLY. So they don’t sit happily around for ever inside 1080 drop zones. They may land on a pond near YOU, many miles from an aerial 1080 drop zone.

Death by ingesting 1080 poison for any creature is not instant, as we know. Even a 1080-poisoned bee has up to two hours flying time back and forth from a hive before it succumbs. A lethally poisoned duck may well survive for many, many hours flying time.
In an article on vertebrate pesticides in ‘Veterinary Toxicology for Australia and New Zealand, 2017’, Rosalind Dalefield BVSc PhD DABVT DABT, states “Birds have survived up to 10 days after dosing with sodium fluoroacetate”. ( 1080 ).

(In the ERMA Review it is stated ““[weka and pukeko] time to death 4-18 [hours]” & “[time to death for blackbirds dosed with 1080] 10.8-30.5 hours”)

Then, of course, there is the possibility that if you eat 1080-poisoned duck and don’t die you will get a nasty sub-lethal dose, which may end up making you ill then and there, or in years to come.

As for children, I would suggest don’t even think about it. Wild duck should be off the menu !

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Alan Galletly says “Many years ago as a teenager I came across a number of dead ducks on a pond, some on the edge. As my father had laid 1080 oats for rabbits close by, we guessed they’ed been poisoned. We opened up a couple and they were full of green dyed oats. This was the beginning of my opposition to 1080 as I’d also seen other birds dead in the area.”

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Dave shoots a pheasant for the table, and discovers it’s full of 1080 poison …

A NZ hunter who shot a pheasant for the table found its crop full of 1080 poison

Thanks to the GrafBoys for this video clip which speaks for itself.

For those who are asking how come the bird was still alive? …  a comment from the GrafBoys: “The bird most certainly would have died, if not shot. There is a two hour or more, latent period before the effects of the poison are felt by the victim. Some animals, cold blooded, can take even longer before the poison kicks in. This bird would have been feeding on pellets in a drop area and may have flown across a forestry road where 1080 poison wasn’t laid. Often poisoned blocks are right next to unpoisoned ones.”

And were it pre feed, non poisonous pellets as some are suggesting, then that would change precisely nothing. The same bird and others like it are still going to eat the drop of real poison to come aren’t they? That is the purpose of the pre feed drop. So still the question remains for you … do you want to risk eating a bird that may have consumed 1080? You obviously can make up your own mind about that, however I would not touch any game captured in a 1080’d area, period.

So, in my opinion it goes without saying, if you hunt for your food, you should always check the stomach or crop contents for poison. This is the stark reality now as the authorities appear to be throwing all caution raised by health professionals to the wind. They need to be invoking the precautionary principle:

This principle is expressed in the Rio Declaration, which stipulates that, where there are “threats of serious or irreversible damage, lack of full scientific certainty shall not be used as a reason for postponing cost-effective measures to prevent environmental degradation.”

(Note, ‘cost effective’, corporate speak right there).

At any rate, if there’s any doubt … best to err on the side of caution. Remember the Indian family from Putaruru. They would not test for 1080 (until it was too late) which looks to be standard going by the testimony of the retired NZ Medical Doctor.

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Dave shoots a pheasant for the table, and discovers it’s full of 1080 poison


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NOTE: For further articles on 1080 use categories at left of the news page.

If you are new to the 1080 poisoning program, a must watch is Poisoning Paradise, the doco made by the GrafBoys (banned from screening on NZ TV, yet a 4x international award winner). Their website is tv-wild.com. Their doco is a very comprehensive overview with the independent science to illustrate the question marks that remain over the use of this poison. There are links also on our 1080 resources page to most of the groups, pages, sites etc that will provide you with further information to make your own informed decision on this matter.

Note: We aim to raise awareness by providing independent information on environmental poisons … and we don’t endorse violence.

You are entitled of course to accept or reject our information, however if you are pro poisoning of the environment, EnvirowatchRangitikei is not the place to espouse your opinions. Neither do we tolerate trolls. Mainstream would be the place to air your pro-poison thoughts, you already have an accepted platform. This is a venue for sharing the independent science you won’t of course find there.


POSTSCRIPT:

Predictably the damage control trolls have shown up on this post, both FB & in comments here. Many demanding was the bird tested? Time & date please? They don’t of course demand the same of DoC whose own records confirm they kill non target wildlife on an ongoing basis with nary a ripple of discontent from the pro poison people. Whose tracks are also covered by the total reluctance to test for 1080 poisoning (see our suspected 1080 poisoning page). I reiterate this is a warning bell to those who hunt for food. It is clearly becoming very unsafe to do so because of both poisoning and secondary poisoning.

 

The article clearly does not claim that the stomach contents were tested however, if you hunt for food and find similar gut contents that you sincerely believe are clover as one person suggests, then feel free to go ahead and eat. Bon appetit to you. Remember though, if you get sick like the Putaruru family, you likely won’t be tested for 1080 even if the attending doctors think you should. Good luck with that.

1080 was added to water supplies by Germany in WW2 as a chemical weapon says a US manufacturer – & the NZ authorities are dropping it aerially into NZ’s waterways

This statement is made within correspondence in 1994 by an Eltham resident (NZ) to a US manufacturer of 1080 (details supplied in the document at the end of the article). The person was trying to ascertain the level of risk to environment and health regarding an imminent drop of 1080 poison into a Taranaki National Park.

It is interesting to note that the replies to all the risks the person raises in their questions are risks that are now deemed quite safe & have become normalized (to the authorities at least that is – many people are now very concerned, witness the recent hikoi & continual NZ wide protests going on).

Here are the questions and answers enlarged for reading:

1. sec poisoning

Nowadays we are told that 1080 targets pests and we are given the impression that little if any other form of wildlife is affected. In fact nothing could be further from the truth.  A person told me recently in the Manawatu that she was told no birds would die in the bush nearby when it was 1080ed however to her surprise she found a dead bird after the area was treated.  Of course we now know that this is a common occurrence by the testimony of many people who find multiple dead birds after drops, photograph them & post them online. And of course we have the various documentations that we’ve published here of multiple finds, with latterly the estimate by a Landcare scientist of 10,000 birds in a South Island drop. Just search ‘birds, 1080’ in our search box to find more.

2. Risks

Again we have multiple examples of people finding themselves in drop zones without realizing it, some bombarded with pellets. We also have examples of families with children finding baits on the walking tracks. According to the above they are at substantial risk but DoC doesn’t seem to think so. They tell us “1080 presents little risk to humans or the environment”. 

3 in water

We are regularly told that 1080 breaks down to harmlessness in water. A scientist told me the other day it is so diluted it isn’t a problem, repeating the cup of tea mantra we hear so regularly.  We also learned recently it was added to water to poison ships rats and we heard from the former Greens co-leader that there are question marks over the official testing on 1080 concentrations in water.

4 Germans

This is very enlightening. No wonder the data sheets tell us not to allow it into waterways. However NZ it seems makes up their own rules on that one. No research to prove their point, they just tweaked the rules.  Here is a link to the information regarding the development of 1080 by Germany for use as a chemical weapon in water supplies.

5 aerial drops

Not approved in the US! “Very very restricted & controlled areas” only. And here it is chucked around like a veritable lolly scramble. The baits aren’t picked up off public walkways & neither are the poisoned animals collected & disposed off,  frequently left to rot in the water where eels and other meat eaters can feed off them (Watch Poisoning Paradise on that one).

6 national park

Remember the Hunua Ranges drop recently? A Court injunction to stop that one failed & during the proceedings DoC lawyers asked (and were granted) that the opposing lawyers not be allowed to question the DoC scientist. Now doesn’t that say something? Let’s not forget Bill Benfield’s revelation either that a drop in the Hunuas in the ’90s left the water filters packed with 1080 pellets. Good one DoC. And none of the public ever got to hear about it.

8 USA

Previously I’ve noted the frequent discovery of pellets on tracks, drops going on around tourists, pellets dumped near people fishing, on it goes. The veritable lolly scramble again.

10 quarantine

Water & wildlife contamination. Something we are repeatedly told does not happen. The manufacturer’s data sheet warns users not to drop into waterways. NZ has tweaked the rules of course so they can.

You may need to make your own decisions on all of that & make your own plans for non-contamination if necessary. It does not look like anybody else is going to.

Here are the whole pages of the documents with addresses & contact details:

1. Letter to Fike Ent.

 

2. Letter to Fike Ent.

 

3. Letter to Fike Ent.