From thebfd.co.nz (thanks to Carol Sawyer for this link)
The BFD has several ex-Police officers who advise us from time to time on Policing matters. They have provided the following observations regarding the arrest of a man in Christchurch for not wearing a mask.
There are many unanswered questions about how technologies are being used, why they are necessary, and whether they risk infringing on human rights or privacy, write Andrew Chen and Kristiann Allen.
The idea of “emergence”, in a philosophical sense, is the notion that a system can have properties, behaviours and naturally forming rules or patterns that individual parts of the system do not have by themselves – the interactions between the components create something new. Snowflakes demonstrate this phenomenon, where individual ice crystals form and grow as they circulate in the air, leading to unpredictable but complex patterns. This perspective considers how seemingly independent parts of a system co-evolve.
Earlier this month, RNZ reported on New Zealand Police’s Review of Emergent Technologies. It included a stocktake of technologies “tested, trialled or rolled out” by NZ Police, from locating where 111 calls are coming from to facial recognition technology for finding people in CCTV footage. In total, 20 technologies were identified with a further nine “under consideration”. The review was urgently commissioned after the police commissioner was caught unaware that the High Tech Crime Unit had trialled the controversial Clearview AI product – understandably, he wanted to know if there were any other unknown surprises on the horizon.
The vehicle images are from FB. If they’re yours please contact me. Captured in NZ. Okay yes they are military police and always been there but no we’ve seldom seen them on the roads like this but then, of course the military are now managing the CV operation and they’re operating checkpoints on the roads. It’s a little bit like WW2 don’t you think? They got good practice at this in East Timor in 2006.
Still people, you can rest easy in NZ, Chris Hipkins just said in mainstream that the CV vax won’t be mandatory. Whew. And so far masks are only mandatory on public transport. Here’s hoping, fingers crossed, they won’t make anything at all mandatory in order to work, drive, shop, go to hospital, socialize and eat out? EWR
I heard the other day, Judith Collins on radio demanding a review, raising the alarm on privacy blah blah blah. Be assured, if Nats were the govt/corporation Judith would be quietly ushering in $9 million worth of the exact same thing seeing as we have a shadow govt/corp and all. And … Adern would be parroting what Collins is saying right now. It’s all farcical and many of us see right through it. All globalist puppets, and Collins posing as opposition. It is all created that way to make you think you have a choice every three years. EWR
Police have been quietly setting up a $9 million facial recognition system that can take a live feed from CCTV cameras and identify people from it.
This would push New Zealand into new territory for tracking citizens.
It will be run by a non-police contractor – US firm Dataworks Plus – and collect 15,000 facial images a year, with that expected to expand up to 10-fold.
Some of this information is contained in an Official Information Act (OIA) response police provided to Stuff last year, but tried to withhold from RNZ last week, until a complaint was made to the Ombudsman.
53 subscribers Let’s look at what force the NZ military is authorised to use against the public particularly regarding arrest, stopping vehicles and entering homes. It’s important to understand this for our own protection against tirrannee. A country’s Defence Force is meant to protect the nation and their interests against foreign threats. They will also support the public in an emergency but aren’t meant to use force against their own population or act as a policing force. The Defence Act 1990 sought to control this but loop holes are now being exploited through other acts to use the military against the New Zealand public. 1. Arrest: a. Quarantine: Under the Health Act 1956 a medical officer of health can arrest people attempting to leave quarantine and any person (including the military) can be used to assist them. This is why you see military managing quarantine facilities and able to detain people there. However, the only people who can be arrested are those who have entered New Zealand within 14 days or are confirmed to have an infectious disease. It doesn’t apply to anyone else so can’t be used to enforce general lockdown restrictions. b. Police Support: Under Section 51 of the Policing Act 2008 any person (including the military) can be asked to assist a constable in apprehending or securing a person or conveying them to a police station or other place. This means the military can use force against the public if they are physically located with a constable. If there’s no constable there then no force can be used. This occurred on the cordon for the Christchurch Earthquake where soldiers manning the cordon would detain people if directed by the police constable with them. 2. Entering homes: Under the civil defence emergency management act 2002 if a state of emergency is declared then the military can enter on and if necessary, break into any premises. Currently there is no state of emergency so the military have no authority to do this. However, if a state of emergency is declared nationally or locally then the military are allowed to forcibly enter your home if they believe it is “necessary for permitting or facilitating the carrying out of any urgent measure for the relief of suffering or distress”. This is a very general statement and could arguably be used to justify Covid-19 related activity. 3. Road blocks: The authority for the military to block roads is based on the same Act. Basically, unless there’s a state of emergency, roadblocks must be lead by police and the military are only supporting. However in a state of emergency the military can man roadblocks without the need for police. 4. Covid-19 enforcement officers: Under the rushed through Covid-19 public health response act the military can be appointed as enforcement officers and this allows them to search cars and property (excluding dwellings) but does not allow them to use force to do this. As at the time of this video being made the NZDF are not authorised as Covid-19 enforcement officers but this could change in the future. 5. Other situations: There are also other powers that only apply in unique situations. These are the physical enforcement of public health orders against specific individuals, powers in response to domestic terror acts and powers on a military base. If you’re not on a military base, committing an act of terrorism or have a public health order made against you by the courts then you don’t need to worry about these. Martial Law: There is a lot of misunderstanding about the terms martial law, military law and what it means for a country to be in this state so let’s explain it. Martial Law is brought into act when the governments and court are unable to function and so a military commander takes action to regulate society. Martial law has often been declared in communist countries to allow military force against the people such as in the Tee anne a min Square Massacre in China. However this has never occurred in New Zealand in modern times. As long as the New Zealand courts are functioning New Zealand is not in a state of Martial Law and the military can only do what the law allows them to. However, this isn’t much of a reassurance as the law provides extensive powers on the pretext of an emergency or pandemic and allows the military to enforce these. Martial Law should not be confused with the term “Military Law” which is the law that the Defence Force applies to its own soldiers to maintain discipline. It is based on the Armed Forces Discipline Act and has no authority over the general public. Summary 1. NZ is not in a state of martial law. 2. NZ military can only arrest you if: ◦ You are trying to leave quarantine; or ◦ They are with a police officer. 3. NZ military can forcefully enter your home but only in a declared state of emergency. 4. NZ military can conduct roadblocks but only with police or in a declared state of emergency.
As AI gets on its legs, along with the new ‘social distancing’ the folk we interact with become less and less personal. Ella, the new Electronic Life Like Assistant, is our latest AI possibility for obtaining info from the Police; Police Connect it’s called. We’ve come a long way haven’t we from the constable on a bicycle who actually cared and had powers of human reasoning. I doubt this Ella will. If we ‘advance’ to China’s social credit system (ie less freedom if you cross the acceptable lines …remember it’s been observed China’s the prototype for the new Orwellian totalitarian world government) Ella is all we’ll get to talk to regarding the rules and regs I’d say. EWR
On Monday we published emails leaked to us that showed that the Police had sought and obtained a Crown Law legal opinion on precisely what they could and could not do under the Governments pandemic lockdown edicts.
The emails showed that Police believed, on the advice from Crown Law that there was very little they could do, other than ask people nicely to comply with the edicts.
We have now been leaked the Crown Law advice that Attorney General David Parker, Police Commissioner Andy Coster and former Police Commissioner Mike Bush all refused to release to the public, nor to the Epidemic Response Committee chaired by Simon Bridges.
That advice shows that definitely for the first nine days of the lockdown, the Police and the Government acted ultra vires, acting or done beyond one’s legal power or authority.
The letter dated 27 March 2020, sent to Bill Peoples – Police National Manager – Legal Services from Bronagh McKenna the Crown Counsel is explicit in its advice regarding enforcement of the lockdown. [The Crown Law reference for those wanting to OIA is POL055/2475]
Police conducted a trial of controversial facial recognition software without consulting their own bosses or the Privacy Commissioner.
The American firm Clearview AI’s system, which is used by hundreds of police departments in the United States and several other countries, is effectively a search engine for faces – billing itself as a crime-fighting tool to identify perpetrators and victims.
New Zealand Police first contacted the firm in January, and later set up a trial of the software, according to documents RNZ obtained under the Official Information Act. However, the high tech crime unit handling the technology appears to have not sought the necessary clearance before using it.
Privacy Commissioner John Edwards, who was not aware police had trialled Clearview Al when RNZ contacted him, said he would expect to be briefed on it before a trial was underway. He said Police Commissioner Andrew Coster told him he was also unaware of the trial.
In New Zealand, civil liberties have been suspended and may not return. The new police powers during the Covid-19 alert level 4 lockdown reveals authorities have the power to set up roadblocks and random checkpoints. However, they also have the power to bust into your house “enter, remain and inspect” any household or office that is suspected of housing an unsanctioned gathering. The new guidance, recently released by the police, revealed that under alert level 4 police may do “anything reasonably necessary, including the use of force, to compel, enforce, or ensure compliance” of the lockdown measures.
Getting Orwellian isn’t it? The entire planet virtually is under ‘friendly’ control/surveillance/lockdown. Remember, this is protecting your health. Same as the coming vaccine will be & as the latest lamestream murmurings have it, they are planning to visit your home to see if anybody is infected. WHO that is. You’ll be removed & isolated. EWR
Police will be operating checkpoints over the Easter weekend to check people are abiding by the lockdown regulations.
Anyone attempting to travel to their bach or holiday home or to make non-essential visits to people outside their bubble will be educated, warned and when necessary arrested, police say.
Police will be ramping up their presence in the community and on the roads this long weekend to ensure people are complying with the Covid-19 Alert Level 4 restrictions.
“We know many New Zealanders may have been planning to catch up with friends and family this weekend, or travel to traditional holiday destinations but we urge anyone who was planning to do this – please change your plans and stay home,” police said in a statement.
This article from RT.com is pointing out what many Kiwis know already going by the somewhat sinister visits some have been receiving… and for no particular purpose other than to ask do they know why they (the Police) are there? (Type ‘police’ in the search box for info on other visits). This all since the event we are not allowed to discuss in March 2019. Disturbing indeed. EWR
New Zealand – the “land of the long white cloud” – has evolved into a police state overnight amid the fallout of Covid-19, with people now being encouraged to dob in fellow Kiwis who flout lockdown rules.
While slow to apprehend Covid-19 initially and taking nonsensical measures such as banning travel from Iran while allowing travel from Italy unabated, the New Zealand government quickly changed tack and announced it was implementing a four-tier threat level to deal with the virus. It wasn’t long after this that the government gave New Zealanders a two-day period for everyone to tie up loose ends and prepare for what is essentially a nationwide lockdown (threat level four), which will continue for at least four weeks.
As part of this, a state of emergency was declared last week which saw the powers-that-be activate emergency legislation. This current state of affairs enables New Zealand’s National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) to close or restrict access to roads or public places, regulate land, water and air traffic, and even evacuate and enter people’s premises, among other measures. The New Zealand police are responsible for maintaining law and order during the state of emergency, and have been given special powers to order any person to stop any activity that contributes to the emergency. As of today, the state of emergency has been extended by another seven days.
So, what? I hear you ask. The Covid-19 crisis is an unprecedented situation which can lead to immense death and suffering, and has already begun undertaking that course of action in Italy, Iran, Spain and even in the US. Calling New Zealand’s response a descent into a “police state” is nothing more than a conspiracy theory, aimed at fueling and sparking more panic in an already panic-driven environment.
Well, perhaps you might want to tell that Victoria University’s associate law professor, Dean Knight, who said that with so much discretionary power, there is a very real risk that the discretion could be used in an arbitrary and discriminatory manner. Or how about University of Otago law professor, Andrew Geddis, who has questioned the current state of affairs in two separate op-eds, warning that police can use “extreme and unprecedented” powers to constrain basic freedoms of movement guaranteed by the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act.
We could say the same of Radio New Zealand contributor Catriona MacLenna, who penned an open letter to the country’s police with the aim of making it crystal clear that “New Zealand is a democracy,” “not a police state.”
We might also want to tell that to journalist Damian Christie. Christie was in the process of delivering video equipment to a client’s business with a letter firmly in hand to prove that what he was doing was regarded as being part of an essential service, his client being a large food producer. Despite producing this letter (and having no discernible legal obligation to do so), a police officer who stopped him began to yell at him and flat-out ignored the letter, even though we had been told that if we provide such a letter, we won’t experience any issues. According to the officer, however, Christie should only have left his house to buy medical supplies.
This is clearly untrue and, as Professor Geddis notes in his columns, has created much confusion about what we can and can’t do under the lockdown rules. I agree with Geddis that if there has been an instruction given to the police to apply these powers, then we need to see those instructions.
On top of all of this, the government saw fit in the most Orwellian way possible to set up an online mechanism for locals to “dob in” other fellow Kiwis who were flouting the lockdown rules. Within an hour of it being launched, over-zealous New Zealanders crashed the website with over 4,200 reports lodged. Police have also arrested a number of people for breaching the lockdown rules. I expect this number to climb somewhat over the next three weeks.
I don’t know how comfortable I am with a website where people can dob in other people without requiring any demonstrable evidence. I am also concerned as to what this precedent could achieve in the future. Perhaps the next lockdown won’t be because of Covid-19, but because of a different situation entirely. What if the next website is set up to dob in not flouters of the lockdown, but say, political dissidents?
We are always naive in thinking that this type of activity can never occur in New Zealand, even when the Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) has been found to have spied on targets illegally; or that time the Snowden papers revealed that the GCSB was spying on the entire Pacific on a mass scale without the knowledge of its neighbors. How quickly New Zealanders seem to forget these facts, or perhaps simply turn a blind eye to them from the outset.
The emergence of New Zealand’s police state apparatus comes at an interesting time. The Court of Appeal just ruled last week that New Zealanders have no constitutional right to bear arms, following a failed legal challenge by the “Kiwi Party.” While denying that right, the government has been quietly rolling out an extensive armed police patrol trial which saw units deployed 75 times a day in their first five weeks (what on Earth for?)
Look, I get it. I take the Covid-19 crisis as seriously as the next person, and for that matter, the overarching principles of the lockdown requirements. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t question power and the abuse of that power, even during a national and global state of emergency.
As Benjamin Franklin’s old adage goes: “Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” And they’ll probably end up losing both.
The man is outspoken about the state of the NZ government on his radio show. Could this be why? They’re not saying. They want the gentleman to tell them if he knows why they’re there. Is this the new face of policing? Exercising one’s right of free speech used to be an OK activity in NZ didn’t it? Watch carefully at what is happening by increments to that freedom in our country. Meanwhile on other shores namely Europe we have national lockdowns, 30K troops at the ready with considerations of martial law. And over in little Himatangi NZ the Defense Force has been recently practicing medical evacuations. Interesting times aren’t they? EWR
“Sadly, this is just the start…” an article on a January 2020 NZ police raid reads… “approximately 12 armed and uniformed goons from the Police metaphorically kicked in the doors of a young Christian family to search for a .22lr lever action rabbit rifle.”
A rabbit shooting weapon?
The start to weaponized state control of citizens was actually long before January 2020. More recently in 2007 we had NZ’s Tuhoe people raided in similar fashion but with a far worse ‘gung-ho’ modus operandi … boarding school buses dressed like Darth Vader, armed with guns and terrifying little children. Not a new scenario to Tuhoe … this was a hundred odd years on from a very similar display of force with the raid on Rua Kenana’s community, peaceful people minding their own business. That one involved bloodshed and deaths and I recently learned they were required to pay (in money) for the cost of that raid. In the 2007 event armed offenders (Police) detained one family that included small children in their garage for hours on end with no food, water or toilet. Yes, this sinister fascism has been lurking for a very long time however it’s now emerging right in plain sight. The claim with the new weaponry, the protective gear, the armoured vehicles costing millions of dollars … and the new legislation … is that they are protecting the public. Really? How does that include terrifying little children? Something is very rotten in the state of Enzed and folk are noticing.
Here is another raid from 2018 (so prior to the March 2019 event in Christchurch which sparked the new gun laws). In this one the father of two hands over his guns very willingly in order to prevent them kicking in the door whilst his children are in the bathroom with their mother terrified and crying. Family holed up in Pukekohe home during armed police standoff
Then in August 2019 a Huntly mother and children were left traumatized after police wearing masks, some carrying guns woke them at 5am, a mother who had recently been in a hui with the police about pastoral care and the community. You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t it seems.
And so in the article we had the raid on January 9th that the raided believe was politically motivated. You can read the detail on that for yourself. At the end of the day, these raids are becoming noticeable world wide, and have been for a while now. The common factor is the use of the armoured vehicles and over the top numbers and weaponry. Shooting butterflies with automatic weapons as it were. See below here an image from thefreeonline.wordpress.com featuring the hardware used to evict some women squatters from a house in the US! An armoured vehicle almost twice the height of a man, to evict some squatters. Slight over kill isn’t it?
I would have to say that since the event of nearly a year ago now that kicked off the gun confiscations, in spite of arming the police & their vehicles, that we seem to have seen more shootings NZ wide. Something experts from Victoria University warned of.
Disarm the people. Arm the Police … body armour, guns, armoured vehicles, home visits to inquire as to political views. Something is not right with this picture. Three people recently shot by Police in as many weeks. Think what could be achieved with all of that money. Alleviate growing poverty and homelessness for starters. EWR
Police Commissioner Mike Bush has today revealed new improved body armour will be delivered to all officers over the next three years.
Police have signed a contract with Cooneen Protection for the manufacture and supply of the new gear. Cooneen also provide body armour for London’s Metropolitan Police force.
Police are spending $20.7m over four years to make the replacements.
“It’s a significant investment but the safety of our staff is paramount,” Bush said.
“To keep communities safe, first police must keep themselves safe.
“So today I’m proud to announce we are investing in a new body armour system that will help keep police safe.
“With more than a million interactions with the public every year, the vast majority is New Zealanders engage with us appropriately. However, it’s unfortunately the nature of police work that some people want to harm us.”
Existing body armour remained fit for purpose while the new armour was introduced over the next three years, he said.
Both current and new armour meet international safety standards for stab and ballistic resistance.
The Toyota Land Cruisers have been fitted with ballistic armour and will be based in Auckland, Christchurch and Wellington but will be deployed across the country as needed, a police media statement said.
Victoria University of Wellington’s Simon Mackenzie, Trevor Bradley, Angus Lindsay explain why armed cops in cars is a bad idea
The new trial of Armed Response Teams (ARTs) in Counties Manukau, Waikato and Canterbury involves sending at least three armed police officers out in patrol vehicles to be constantly available to respond to crimes involving firearms. Currently, police do have armed offender squad officers, but they are dispatched from base to respond to serious firearms incidents rather than being continually present in the community.
The police commissioner has given two justifications for this trial of roving armed cops in cars: community safety and the safety of police officers themselves. The second reason is the real driver, but it will inevitably come at the expense of the first. Cops in cars with guns makes communities less safe, not more. Let’s look at the evidence.
Does the prospect of armed police officers dissuade criminals from using guns? No. In fact, the opposite may be true. This is the mutual escalation argument: where cops carry guns, criminals think they need to as well, and more shootouts ensue. The more criminals respond in this way, the more police think they need to arm themselves, and so on. In the United States, this pattern has become so problematic that there is a growing argument for de-escalation by disarming police, but disarming an armed police force is much more difficult than not allowing arms to be routinely used in the first place. Once the genie is out of the bottle, it is hard to put back in.
Okay, so arming police doesn’t actually make us safer, but do armed police nonetheless make communities feel safer? The evidence is mixed. While some people may feel safer when they see police with guns, some feel less safe. They worry about being shot by accident or unjustifiably, and the ambience created by seeing guns on the street is to some people an oppressive, rather than a liberating, one.
Does police use of firearms have a racially disproportionate impact? Yes. In a recent article for RNZ, ex-police officer Tim McKinnel pointed out that in the 10 years from January 2009 to January 2019, 66 percent of all New Zealanders shot (fatally and non-fatally) by police were Māori or Pasifika. Around 23 percent of New Zealanders identify as Māori and Pasifika, so that police shooting statistic is quite an indictment.
In the US, around 30 percent of people fatally shot by police are black Americans, while black Americans make up only 13 percent of the overall population. This is explained less by police officer racial bias, although in some cases that does exist, and more by differences in rates of exposure to police. ‘Exposure’ here means visibility and contact, whether through committing crimes or being ‘over-policed’, as we know indigenous and minority populations around the world are. In other words, the fatal shooting statistic is a form of indirect discrimination rather than outright racial bias by individual officers. But the effects – more dead black Americans – are the same. Those differences in rates of exposure to police are also what Māori and Pasifika experience in New Zealand, where Māori are almost eight times more likely than Pākehā to suffer police violence. The likely racial footprint of armed police in the community is there for all to see.
Are police entitled to protect themselves at the expense of citizen safety by carrying weapons? Surely not. The police sign up to be put in harm’s way. It is a reasonably foreseeable part of the job, where the job involves resolving conflict in society in a direct way and in circumstances that are often challenging. Policing is not an inherently safe business. It is sensible to manage those risks as much as possible, of course, but at some point the measures police might take to protect themselves spill over into making everyone else less safe. ARTs bring police guns continuously and routinely into communities and increase the danger to innocent civilians of being shot by police. They will also increase the risk of police shooting unarmed offenders and those carrying weapons other than firearms.
In fact, the evidence shows that, perhaps contrary to the common-sense expectations underpinning the ART trial, carrying guns or other weapons like TASERs doesn’t make police officers safer in the line of duty. The way to make officers safer is to reduce rates of violent crime, especially crimes involving firearms. Prevention is the key, not more shooting.
Does the New Zealand experience with TASERs give us reassurance that, contrary to the apparent international experience, more police guns in the community will enhance community safety here? No. TASERs were touted as a less lethal alternative to police guns. Yet they have not reduced the number of police shootings, and they have been catalysts for the escalation of police aggression. By a simple multiplication effect, more police weapons in society has led to a greater likelihood that they will be used. That much is simple statistical probability but there is also a so-called ‘weapons effect’, studied in social psychology. This finds that carrying weapons affects police behaviour, increasing aggressive responses to challenging situations. It can also increase the aggression of the offender being apprehended. A study in the United Kingdom recently found that the presence of a TASER was causally linked to a 48 percent higher incidence of force being used by police and also that assaults on police doubled where they had a TASER. This study shows the weapons effect in action: the presence of a TASER leads to increased aggression for both the public and police.
New Zealand is a society in which the liberal democratic traditions of policing should be absolutely at the forefront of decisions about how the police carry out their mandate. Those liberal democratic traditions involve policing by consent, in other words with the support of the population. This support and co-operation is the source of policing’s legitimacy. Trust and confidence in the police may be broadly evident in the Pākehā population of New Zealand but police–community relations are often strained and in some cases tenuous for Māori given their disproportionate entanglement in criminal justice. Studies in the US show that militarised police tactics, including the use of firearms, fuel historic tensions between police and marginalised communities rather than reducing those tensions. Think, for one example, about the riots in Ferguson, Missouri after police fatally shot Michael Brown and the ensuing civil disobedience campaigns.
The cutting edge of policing research internationally is about increasing the trust and confidence communities have in police, which supports the liberal democratic consensus about police legitimacy and pays dividends to police in terms of community safety and improved results. The Police Minister has even recently set as one of the key goals for the police that 90 percent of New Zealanders have trust and confidence in them. Where the research is telling us a high level of militarised policing erodes public trust and confidence in the police, while simultaneously failing to enhance officer safety and reduce crime, it is concerning to see ideas like ARTs being developed. This is especially so for a police force that, like so many internationally, has an ingrained problem with racially disparate effects.
Professor Simon Mackenzie, Dr Trevor Bradley and Master’s student Angus Lindsay are in the Institute of Criminology at Victoria University of Wellington.
“These visits are carried out as a result of police receiving information about concerning behaviour. Many of these are from members of the public who are being vigilant as we have asked them to be and have rightly passed their concerns on to police.”
Also in another news item:
“Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced on Thursday two more groups of semi-automatic guns would be classified as military-style semi-automatic firearms following Christchurch’s terror attacks.
Semi-automatic firearm that can be used in combination with detachable magazine (other than one designed to hold 0.22-inch or smaller rimfire cartridges), and capable of holding more than five cartridges
Semi-automatic shotgun capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine that can hold more than five cartridges”
Like many of you, I was born into a New Zealand where people did not lock their doors. Now, many people have security lights, CCTV cameras, burglar alarms, and some are starting to have phones at the ready to video armed policemen coming to their homes.
I am posting up all the links I have so far on these events in the last couple of weeks. I am sure there are more than these… this will be the tip of the iceberg.
What we know:
We know that the police have a list of at least 100 people they are watching.. for what we don’t quite know. They won’t tell us. (I am sure the number will be higher than 100 though). Here is an interview about this by Sean Plunket with Stephen Franks of the Free Speech Coalition on May 8, 2019:
At least two people, who have committed no crime other than to own an AR15, have had 14 and 30 armed police, respectively, arrive at their door unannounced. It appears they bought these guns in the rush of people buying the guns before the legislation changed and they were banned. Gun City reported a rush on sales, so these two are two of many. They were presumably not planning to commit mass murder! There is an amnesty on these guns until September 30th. Maybe it doesn’t apply to guns bought since the massacre. This seems unclear. I have asked gun-owners and no-one seems to know.
As well as this, people who own no guns and have committed no crimes, have been visited by armed police – one of them by 15 armed police. The reason for one of the visits appears to have been that the man was making Youtube videos and the government didn’t like his political views.
So… some visits are about guns and some are about political views. They all seem to have one thing in common though. The people visited are being questioned by police about their political and religious beliefs… about what they think of Jacinda Ardern, about Trump, about Muslims and other religions, whether they have friends in ethnic minorities, and the like.
On May 10, 2019, I spoke to Travis Mills, Private Secretary ( Police ), about this matter. He told me, and I quote:
“It is highly unlikely that police would be questioning people’s political preferences. Who you vote for is not a matter for NZ Police.”
Therefore if this has happened, you need to lay a complaint with the Independent Police Conduct Authority ( IPCA). Phone 0800-503-728, or fill in an online complaint form at www.ipca.govt.nz
The NZ Police do need to tell us what The List is about, and what “misdemeanours” will cause you to end up on The List.
Anti-1080 people, including myself, have already been spied on by government agents. Here is the story that broke on the Spy Files, March 10, 2019 :
Presumably at least some Anti-1080 people are on The List, as well as Anti-vaccine people, and people who would like us to be One nation/ One people (that is now called “hate speech” by Justice Minister Andrew Little). In fact anyone who speaks out against government policies or Jacinda Ardern had better watch out.
The only thing George Orwell got wrong was the date!
“The worst thing was they pointed a rifle at my 12-year-old daughter who was picking up horse poo. They told her to put the fork down and walk towards them. She is still anxious and shaken. The whole family is.”
Why is it necessary, in the quest for seizing guns from adults to ‘protect the public’ (so we are told) to terrorize young children? How is that conducive to protecting the public, the rationale that is being given for this sudden strange turn of events? Do these Police persons not have children themselves? Are they not trained to realize the trauma that this behaviour will embed in a child’s memory …. for life? This is the stuff of movies & it’s happening right here in New Zealand. It is not new however. This same behaviour occurred in 2007 when the Tuhoe people in Te Urewera (who are no strangers to illegal Police raids) were raided & similarly, armed offenders boarded a school bus, terrorizing little children.
They also detained a family with little ones, one of them a four year old, in their family garage with no food, water or toilet for NINE hours. To update yourself on that one, watch ‘Operation 8’ on Youtube. If you listen to the first minute of the video you will hear a 12 year old child describing what happened:
I saw all these people in black, and this man had a dog and it was right behind me and, just saw all these lights and, these guns, and it was really scary. All of us had to get down on our knees and put our hands on our heads. They asked for my name, did I know anything about terrorist things, or if I’ve been in trouble with the Police … I just started crying, and crying and … my nan tried to come over to me and asked me if I was okay, and then the Policeman behind us said ‘Shut up, don’t talk to her’ and moved closer towards me and pointed the gun down at my head. Oct 15 2007
Those children would not sleep in their bedrooms for three months after this event, they were so afraid. They all slept together in their lounge. Shame on the NZ Police. Protecting the public? Really? When you see images of these armed offenders (see image above) they are enough to strike terror into the heart of an adult let alone a child. It all really beggars belief. Was this all a warm up for today’s scenarios?
Do read the article below, it’s from mainstream’s Stuff even (which surely tells you something). Pontificate on what has happened to your country Kiwis. The article describes a similar raid on another person.
Police seize gun collector’s firearms in ‘over the top’ raid
A community-minded contractor who dug the mass grave for victims of the mosque shootings for free says police went “way over the top” in raiding his house to seize his 11 firearms.
The colourful figure – who asked not to be named for security reasons but whose record of helping out people in the community and raising money is known to have endeared him to many – said about 30 police raided his west Christchurch block on April 2 about 5pm while he was still at work.
Some were Armed Offenders Squad members and others were in ordinary police uniform. A specialist search squad searched his house, outbuildings and a granny flat housing his 80-year-old mother.
“They even went through her underwear drawer. The worst thing was they pointed a rifle at my 12-year-old daughter who was picking up horse poo. They told her to put the fork down and walk towards them. She is still anxious and shaken. The whole family is.”
Police then rang him at work. He arranged to stand in the middle of the yard and asked the police to leave their guns in their vehicles.
“They still pointed their guns at me and made me walk towards them with my hands up. I got to them and said, “put that away before you hurt yourself”.”
He is now waiting for an explanation. He does not believe police were acting on a tip that he was dangerous. Police refused to comment, citing privacy – despite the man providing a privacy waiver.
“Unfortunately for privacy reasons we can’t respond to requests which seek to confirm whether specific individuals have made complaints to police, or if police have attended a specific address,” a police spokesperson said.
The man said: “I’ve seen them raid the Headhunters with less firepower than they raided us. It was just out of this world. Way over the top.”
He accepts police might have wanted a chat with him because after the mosque shootings, he had bought an AR15 rifle, from Gun City. The mosque shooter used an AR15 class rifle and they are now banned under new arms legislation.
A rush of gun sales was reported in the aftermath of the March 15 mosque shooting after it was announced gun laws would change. The AR15 is amongst the most popular as a semi-automatic sporting rifle often used for deer, goat and pig hunting, as well as competitive target shooting.
“But all they needed to do was ring me and say we are coming around for a chat. If I was really up to no good I would have bought a firearm off the internet. Everyone knows that.”
The contractor said he had had a firearms licence since 1982 and had been shooting as a sport since he was 12.
He collected firearms and had two other AR15 rifles before the shooting.
When he bought the firearm, he thought he would be able to keep the gun under a grandfather arrangement where those who owned the guns before the law change would be allowed to keep them.
“It would have told a story.”
His confidence in the police had gone down to about zero, he said.
All his guns were confiscated in the raid and he is now trying to get them back.
“This didn’t need to happen. I’m not a criminal. They could have made a few other checks and seen I was not a risk.
He had two assault convictions from 35 years ago and had been out of trouble since, he said.
An Ashburton farm manager, who also declined to be named, told Stuffhe was also angry about the way he was treated by the police.
He was in his garage searching through his deep freezer shortly after eating lunch on Thursday when his wife told him there were some police officers coming up the drive.
“There were about three armed police that came out from the back of my section, and three more units pulled up at the driveway.”
Of the 14 police officers, eight were “heavily armed”.
The officers wanted to speak to him about the terror attacks, his views on police, Muslims and other religions. He was then asked if anyone was home.
“I said ‘no, my kids are at school’. Then they sent a team in to clear the house like in the movies, going into each room guns pointed clearing the house.”
The man said the officers told him the hour-long visit was initiated in part because he purchased an A-category AR15 from Gun City a day after the March 15 terror attack. His gun, which was being held in a secure safe, was seized, along with some other items including a scope and ammunition.
He told Stuff he travelled from Ashburton to Christchurch after the attack to buy the gun because he had always wanted one. His wife was planning on buying him one for his birthday in June, and was worried they would become harder to buy.
“It was probably the wrong decision but I thought if I don’t get one now I may miss the opportunity.”
He said he was not racist or anti-Islamic.
“I said so I’m not a fan but I understand there are good people out there, there are good Muslims. I’m not a fan of the religion but I’m not going to go out and kill people.”
He said the number of police officers was over the top and believed a call or visit from a local police officer would have been enough.
“I can’t understand why they needed that many armed police to come in here to ask me my views on this and then seize my gun.”
Armed police banging on doors on Sunday mornings, to harass people with no due cause, is fascist and totalitarian. Police asking people what their views on Jacinda Ardern are, and on Trump, and whether they have ‘ethnic minority’ friends is out of order.
Jacinda Ardern is behaving more like an apprentice dictator than the PM of a democratic country, (if, of course, she is actually aware this is happening). It might be better to calm down and permit rational discussion – including the acceptance of differing points of view. Is there any rational talk in NZ any more?
People are understandably getting incredibly wound up about a number of issues related to freedom of speech.The events in Christchurch have thrown us all out of gear, as a country.
As Stephen Franks pointed out in an interview with Sean Plunket (MagicTalk Radio, 8 May, 2019) we can not and should not rely on the police to make us feel safe. Safety comes from the checks and balances of our society itself, when people trust each other and have bedrock beliefs in common.
Interfere with that and there will be problems.
Importantly, the police should not have lists of suspects without any explanation to the public of why they are suspects!
I have just spoken to Travis Mills, Private Secretary (Police), about this matter. He told me, and I quote:
“It is highly unlikely that police would be questioning people’s political preferences. Who you vote for is not a matter for NZ Police.”
Therefore if this has happened, you need to lay a complaint with the Independent Police Conduct Authority (IPCA). Phone 0800-503-728, or fill in an online complaint form at https://www.ipca.govt.nz/site/
Which brings to mind the post I’ve been meaning to do for a while featuring Mike Loder’s submission with regard to gun confiscations that followed on the heels of the Christchurch incident in March. Mike is a campaigner for harsher penalties for firearm offenders. He is a keen shooter himself & wishes to protect shooting as a sport … he states that he is not pro gun, he is pro logic (here more in the interview). He would like to see firearms licensing handled by an alternative party to the police.
Quote: “A gaping hole in the Arms Act in NZ allowed an Australian man with 53 firearms convictions to obtain a gun license …”
You can listen below here. Very enlightening about, among other things, the state of gun licensing & its handling by the Police in NZ:
And further below is a video by Vinny Eastwood interviewing Mike Loder in greater depth. A very worthwhile & informative watch.
(Nov. 2018) If all of this does not convince you of how powerfully the media shapes the public’s perception of reality I’m afraid nothing will. Here we have an obvious skewing of numbers to convince you that people who want clean drinking water, who do not want their food sources poisoned, are actually a bunch of violent terrorists. Quite frankly I think they’ve over skewed it this time. It isn’t a matter of a slight margin of difference, it is a very glaring fudging of the facts. The following article is compiled from information posted from research on the ‘No to 1080 Use in NZ’ Facebook page, and from Carol Sawyer. It includes a further update by Carol following a news item on NewsHub last night.
OIA reveals false claims from DoC
“Can we expect our Government agencies like the New Zealand Department of Conservation (DoC) to tell us the truth?
It would appear not.
Over the past year, there have been increasing claims in the media from people like Lou Sanson, Director-General of the DoC and Nicola Toki, DoC’s ‘Threatened Species Ambassador’ that ‘anti-1080 activists are dangerously out of control’, ‘have gone feral’ and even ‘ are repeatedly making death threats to DoC staff’.
On 31st August this year, we exposed the truth about these lies. We reported the response to an Official Information Act to the New Zealand Police, which asked ‘exactly HOW MANY threats of violence towards DoC staff had been recorded from so-called ‘anti-1080 activists in the past 2 years?’ and perhaps more importantly, ‘how many of these were being upheld?’”
The answer, back then, was six:
Between March 2016 and March 2018 there were a total of only SIX reports of threats to NZ Police, of which, ZERO were being progressed to prosecution. Nil prosecutions.Surprise, surprise!
So since then, from March up to October 2018, how many MORE threats to DoC do you think have been reported to the Police? After all, there was(according to TVNZ in Sept) a “sharp rise in threats to DoC staff”. Numerous media articles have attempted to alarm the public about the ‘dangers’ of ‘anti-1080 activists’. Then there was the commencement of a costly contract with the private security firm, Thompson and Clark (April 2018). Journalists like Tom O’Connor writing opinion pieces with headlines like ‘Anti-1080 protesters’ threats to human life inexcusable’….. so, how many threats were actually reported to the Police?
Yes, that’s right, since March 2018 there has been an ‘explosion’ of the numbers of threats to….um,
the same, on average, as the previous two years.
On 7th of November we have a further update on mainstream media’s reporting :
THREATS TO DoC FROM ANTI-1080 PEOPLE
“Well, well, well – tonight we have the government-driven “drama queens” on Newshub coming up with another fantastical story… DoC is apparently trembling in its boots because of threats to shoot down helicopters, string wires across valleys, etc. Their “wheels have been slashed” and their “tyres loosened”… NONE OF THIS IS TRUE! In the Newshub story …
… not a single shred of evidence for its claims was produced.
The story starts off :
“Newshub can reveal the Prime Minister has received multiple threats from anti-1080 extremists including at least one death threat.” However, when Jacinda Ardern is asked ” Have they threatened your life or safety?” she looks uncomfortable and replies “Er, look I..I have been.. had some incidents, er, that I’ve been made aware of, um, but actually… (and then goes on to say she is more concerned about frontline staff).
Meanwhile, back in the real world where we all not only have to defend ourselves against poison but also against the self-interested exaggerations of the poisoners, two OIA requests reveal exactly …
NINE so-called threats in the last 2 years and 7 months! None has progressed to prosecution.
Lou Sanson says there were NINETY-THREE threats last month. The date on the latest OIA response from the NZ Police is 1 November, 2018. How does this work exactly Lou Sanson?
Below are copies of the latest OIA request to Police:
Whether any of the 3 alleged threats will progress to a prosecution, remains to be seen. But if previously reported incidents are anything to go by (e.g. a threatening phone call, and a note left on a DoC vehicle) we doubt it very much.
We need to call out DoC about their constant and tiresome Fake News. And we need to make the media accountable for perpetuating their lies. We need to ask for more evidence whenever DoC make a claim; they are simply untrustworthy.
Some examples of recent Fake News articles below.
“Southern police have also revealed they are investigating several threats made last year to sabotage 1080 operations, including one involving the setting of man traps. Department of Conservation (Doc) operations director southern South Island Aaron Fleming said in recent months there had been an increase in threats and harassment to Doc staff and contractors nationwide, including eight in Otago and Southland.” (Otago Daily Times, 6 Oct 2018)
“There are fears for the safety of conservation workers and contractors after recent attacks on their vehicles. In three instances wheel nuts on the vehicles were loosened in acts believed to be connected to protests over the Conservation Department’s use of 1080 poison for pest management. In the most serious case a contractor avoided injury when a wheel came off while he was driving, after its nuts had been loosened. DOC director-general Lou Sanson said toxic bait had been put in a staff letterbox and he had also seen other threatening posts on Facebook recently.” (New Zealand Radio, 29 Sept 2017)
“DOC appalled at latest 1080 threats to staff: The Department of Conservation (DOC) confirms that it has asked New Zealand Police to investigate after receiving a second threatening letter from an anti-1080 protestor in Taranaki. The aggressive letter intensifies threats against DOC staff and claims more sika deer will be released unless DOC stops its use of 1080 to control predators.” (Scoop, 5 December 2017)
“Sharp rise in threats to DOC as anti 1080 protesters hold mass demonstrations” TVNZ, 1 News: Sept 2018 DoC said the intelligence gathering was necessary because of threats made by anti-1080 activists who in some cases had threatened to shoot down helicopters. “They’ve threatened to kill our staff and their families, we’ve had physical confrontation, and we’ve had instances of tampering with vehicles, loosening wheel nuts. “So we needed a specialist security company to help us with that because we just don’t have the resources or expertise,” Mr Maher said. Threats are collated and assessed by Thompson and Clark as to whether they could likely be carried out. If the risk is high they are forwarded onto police. (Radio New Zealand Checkpoint: DOC Using Thompson and Clarke to monitor anti-1080 activists April 23, 2018)
Department of Conservation staff are facing a torrent of online threats and abuse following a recent spike in anti-1080 protest This is having a consequence for frontline DOC staff, Mrs Toki said incidents of threats and abuse in August were significantly higher than usual. “We had eight incidents in just one month alone where staff were physically confronted, abused or harassed and then we had seven abusive phone calls and emails” She said in addition to that there were countless harassment threats and abuse via social media which were followed up with Netsafe and the police. (Radio New Zealand 18 Sept 2018)
Despite a resolution passed by the Westland District Council in 2009, to keep the deadly pesticide-insecticide – 1080 poison – out of water catchments – ridgeline to ridgeline – the Animal Health Board breached the council’s decision, and in August 2012, poisoned the Hokitika watercatchment, again … (the GrafBoys’ channel)
New Zealand claims to be “Clean, Green and 100% Pure”. Therefore, you could be forgiven for thinking the authorities would fight against poisoning water – forest streams and water catchments. But in New Zealand, it’s the authorities doing the contaminating, and the people fighting to keep their water pure – and they’re getting arrested doing it. Despite a resolution passed by the Westland District Council in 2009, to keep the deadly pesticide-insecticide – 1080 poison – out of water catchments – ridgeline to ridgeline – the Animal Health Board breached the council’s decision, and in August 2012, poisoned the Hokitika watercatchment, again. In a recent poison drop across Westland, farmers and locals rallied for animal welfare and the right to retain poison-free water. This is their story …
This is an article from Fishing and Outdoors that exposes the finer details around the assault of Graeme Sturgeon who came to observe the unloading of 1080 in the CBD of Whitianga. This is the March 2018 issue published on Mar 3, 2018.
For our coverage of this issue as it unfolded go here and here